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Karen110267 07-11-2017 01:38 PM

Should I neuter???
I have a 2 year old male who is perfect except with other male intact dogs.
He seems to be getting worse, he loves playing with other dogs but we can't let him off his lead now in case he comes across an intact male.

Have spoken to the vet to see if neutering would help the problem and he seems to think it would.

Was just wondering if anyone else has had this problem?

tootsiepops 07-11-2017 03:00 PM

I don't think neutering helps to be honest. My old vet told me ,that neutering only helps with male agro problems if done before the age of 10 mths. Even then that's not a given.

Training, using distraction and treat method is a better bet in my opinion..:) Socialising at dog training classes may help too.

Karen110267 07-11-2017 03:10 PM

He's socialised with lots of dogs, been puppy classes, won't take treats whilst out so can't use that method.
He just loves playing with other dogs except intact ones, he has had other intact males try to attack him too.

Tigerlillytopknot 07-11-2017 03:15 PM

Have to agree totally with Rosie . Try dog training classes and keep up the training whenever out. It will not happen overnight but patience and commitment are the key xxxx

charlieboy 07-11-2017 05:27 PM

My vet told me neutering has no effect on aggression . I got charlie at 6 mnths and he attacked every dog we saw . I took my vets advice which was its an old wives tale that neutering calms them
He said prople neuter their dogs , thise dogs that calm down it is then said it was the neutering when in all probability the dog would have calmed down anyway . I didnt neuter had a difficult 12 mnths but now have an intact 6 year old that loves all .
Of course your vet will want you to try , they want your money .
You do what you think is best but me personally would leave alone and stick to training .
Neuyering does not replace training .

elaine archie 07-11-2017 10:04 PM

Neutering only guarantees to remove the risk of testicular cancer and the risk of prostate problems.
There is NO guarantee of the following.....
It can reduce aggressiveness
It can reduce unwanted or exaggerated sexual behaviour

Also keep in mind.....
It may not reduce dominant behaviour
It can also make the dog predisposed to weight gain later in life, if the diet isn't controlled.

My last 2 were both entire, with no problems. Archie ( my current Apso) is neutered. It did stop him humping everything in sight....but he still humps my arm!! and there is no sign of him gaining excessive weight (he's 10)
The problem with intact dogs is the presence of testosterone which can play a big part in aggression and obviously neutering removes this.
If I were you I would book to see a behaviourist....not a trainer, as they will be able to tell what is causing the problem ie. fear, anxiousness, dominance etc and give you a plan of how to over come it. If it is fear based and you don't address the problem, but neuter, you could make him worse. If I were you neutering world be my last resort.
Hope this helps xx

bunch 07-17-2017 01:05 PM

Totally agree with what has been said in here. When a dog calms following a neuter, it's more than likely pure luck that they appear calmer. A behaviourist is the way to go. Is he the same when just walking up and down the roads? If so, in addition to what has been said, if he reacts to an intact male, turn him and walk the other way on the opposite side of the road.

It could just be he has had a negative experience with an intact male dog and now he is generalising his bad experience with all intact dogs. It's important to know that he doesn't need to have been bitten or growled at for him to develop reactive behaviour towards an intact male. Remember that it's about what he 'perceives as negative' and not what you may perceive as negative. All it takes at times is something as small as being stared at or an intact dog leaning over him for making him feel intimidated and fearful. Remember that a great percentage of what looks like aggressive behaviour in reality is based on fear.

For us humans, all it takes is to ask the owner or bend down and take a quick look under for 'missing parts' lol .... the truth is, dogs know instinctively. Intact males will without doubt have a different scent. Intact males give of a certain scent which can be considered a threat to neutered males too.

The best approach would be to consult with a dog professional such as a certified applied animal behaviourist or a board-certified veterinary behaviourist. These are the experts in this field. Yet, some reputable trainers are well-versed in dealing with dog behaviour problems.

Elaine67 07-21-2017 04:16 PM

Oscar was neutered at 8 months (when we got him) by the rescue we got him from . He was a holy terror then and (at 10) remains a force to be reckoned with!

Personally, I don't think getting him snipped made any difference. Like others have said, it's down to training...

Oscar can still be a pain-in-the-ar*se. Nowadays he'll happily trot past other dogs when he's out and about just as long as they don't take too much interest in him. Sniffing may or may-not be welcomed.

It took years to get to this point. He's the product of a puppy-farm, sold as soon as he could lap porridge, long before his poor mother had a chance to teach him any social skills - and all these years later it still shows to those who know what to look for.

I'm not saying don't do it, but neutering as a means of behaviour adjustment is vastly over-rated (especially by vets who either want you to think they've got all the answers or hope you'll pay them to do it!) and you'll get much better results through training.

The best of luck to both of you.

bunch 07-25-2017 11:19 AM

Wonder how Karen has got on with this situation? x

Elaine67 07-25-2017 01:15 PM

It would be interesting to find out.:confused:

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